Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:03:14 -0500
From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rif:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:43 PM, > wrote:
> Assuming you're not being sarcastic:
And there I thought you could recognize sarcasm ;)
The formal credits aside, I have been under the impression that they
> continued to write together during that period and Robin in particular,
> although singing very little lead, remained very active regarding the
> songwriting. I strongly suspect that most of those songs were Barry "ideas"
> and he most likely took an even more dominating role in the songwriting (at
> least on a good number of the songs),
I'm pretty much on the same page. But, I tend to think Robin had some ideas
of his own, and Robin was certainly capable of writing lyrics to even Barry
dominated songs. Not that you implied, or maybe you did and I just didn't
get it, but singing lead does not mean others had absolutely nothing to do
with the writing process. If one goes by that logic then Mo did very little
during his career as a Bee Gee.
Moreover, he continues to write songs, especially the hits, with R&M (one
> or both) consistently through 1980-1985 when they were effectively not the
> Bee Gees anymore and he was firmly ensconced with his new partners Albhy &
> Karl and ably supported by all those crack session musicians he and Albhy
> hired. Which is always a good point to mention when evaluating the true
> measure of their songwriting partnership.
Exactly! Not only R&M (one or both) but with other writers. It's a shame
Albhy wasn't around for Barry's solo effort!
The point that I am making is that Barry (Moon-hanger), freakishly talented
notwithstanding, has never done everything on his own. He had a hell of a
lot of help, weather from R&M and/or from various producers.
Back to topDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:08:01 -0500
From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rif: Rif:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Mark Crohan wrote:
> R&M talents were noted but they were in awe of Barry's creative talent.
Maybe they were, and maybe Barry was in awe of R&M talents. If so from BRM,
I'm sure none of them ever stated that to anyone they worked with.
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From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riff Riff
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Mark Crohan wrote:
> Alphy it was very revealing.Robin played a key role acting like an
> executive producer but it centred around Barry.
Albhy also stated that Robin was active behind the scenes writing, as did
Blue. They both have differing opinions on Mo.
Even many other interviews with people like Cliff Richard, ronin Keating
> it's always Barry who us referred to.
I'm not doubting what you are saying, Mark, and I'm also not disagreeing
with you that Barry was/is an excellent talent, but many of these people
worked directly with Barry and not so much R&M.
To be honest, IMO, it's a shame Barry didn't continue with his solo effort
in the 80's after his mega contract album flopped, or even that he didn't
write all of the Streisand songs by himself. This way he wouldn't have to
blame/resent R&M for his death of solo material!
Back to topDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:32:10 -0500
From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rif: Rif:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:57 PM, karimkassai@yahoo.it
wrote:
> Kitty i don't think Barry wrote only commercial songs , he wrote Great
> songs!!! beautiful melodies that everyone loved and loves!!!!
Karim, even you can't possible think everyone loved Barry's Great songs and
melodies. Newsflash, we love the Bee Gees, and many of Barry's songs, but
that's a relatively small number.
Karl and Albhy had great importance but if Barry wasn't there
> they didn't go anywhere without him!!!!!
>
Well once again I'll try to decipher your logic. Yes, both K&A came into
the mainstream with the Bee Gees, and especially Barry but again, they both
brought their talent to the table. As freakishly talented as Barry is one
could say if it weren't for Stigwood, Barry could have been flipping
burgers. Talent doesn't always equate to fame or success (depending on how
one measures success). There are many that do not posses the talent of the
Gibbs, or for you, Barry, but they have managed to become quite famous and
successful (financially?)
Back to topDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:35:01 -0500
From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riff Riff
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM, kittyLarue wrote:
> This way he wouldn't have to blame/resent R&M for his death of solo
> material!
Well it should have been dearth of solo material. But now that I think
about it, death--how apropos!
Back to topDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:38:32 -0500
From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A Conversation with RJ Gibb
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:08 PM, > wrote:
> Uri Geller was exposed as a fake years ago on the Tonight Show. The
> magician and renown skeptic Jack Randee clued Carson in on Geller's act (
> he had him use his own silverware, not Geller's and he could not bend
> them).
I remember that. I actually felt sorry for the poor guy. Exposed!
As for RJ, he is obviously a well-educated intelligent young man but his
> grandiose demeanor I find a bit much. He would have us believe he is this
> multi-talented individual. Perhaps he is? But, let him prove it and stop
> latching on his deceased father's name.
I couldn't agree with you more, and couldn't have said it better (guess
that's why I didn't). And I agree with your sentiment Bill, bullshitting!
Back to topDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:49:33 -0700
From: Laura Canady <laurajane58@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rif:
well said.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 11:03 AM, kittyLarue wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:43 PM, > wrote:
Assuming you're not being sarcastic:
And there I thought you could recognize sarcasm ;)
The formal credits aside, I have been under the impression that they continued to write together during that period and Robin in particular, although singing very little lead, remained very active regarding the songwriting. I strongly suspect that most of
I'm pretty much on the same page. But, I tend to think Robin had some ideas of his own, and Robin was certainly capable of writing lyrics to even Barry dominated songs. Not that you implied, or maybe you did and I just didn't get it, but singing lead does
Moreover, he continues to write songs, especially the hits, with R&M (one or both) consistently through 1980-1985 when they were effectively not the Bee Gees anymore and he was firmly ensconced with his new partners Albhy & Karl and ably supported by all
Exactly! Not only R&M (one or both) but with other writers. It's a shame Albhy wasn't around for Barry's solo effort!
The point that I am making is that Barry (Moon-hanger), freakishly talented notwithstanding, has never done everything on his own. He had a hell of a lot of help, weather from R&M and/or from various producers.
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