Words@brothersgibb.com message digest 07/04/2017 15:01 (#2017-412)

7 messages included in this issue
1Lamplight againjulian@theglassfamily.co.uk
2Lamplight againcompoccia@aol.com
3MORE bored Bee Geescompoccia@aol.com
4More Bee Gees out of boredomcompoccia@aol.com
5How the past could have changed the future?compoccia@aol.com
6MORE bored Bee Geesgarcia10303@gmail.com
7MORE bored Bee Geescompoccia@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 06:37:28 +0100 From: "julian@theglassfamily.co.uk" <julian@theglassfamily.co.uk> Subject: Lamplight again It's very difficult to assess Lamplight as a piece of music independently of it role in Bee Gees history. Is it a lost number one or lost classic? Would it have been critically acclaimed in its own right? Every time I play it I think this. I just can't unlink it from its history so to now think maybe it could sound even better is new to me. If it had been a big hit single it would have been in all these compilations. Can I imagine that. No. Thinking now it seems to sit alongside Marley Purt Drive as a great lost album track that just lacks something to make it a great single. What would Arif Martin have done to it? Make Robin sound less strained on the verses? Put more harmonies on the choru Julian > On 4 Jul 2017, at 02:01, mailbag@brothersgibb.com wrote: > > Words@brothersgibb.com message digest 07/03/2017 21:01 (#2017-411) > > 2 messages included in this issue > > 1 More Bee Gees out of boredom martyhogan@sbcglobal.net > 2 MORE bored Bee Gees martyhogan@sbcglobal.net > > > > Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:34:26 +0000 (UTC) > From: Marty Hogan > Subject: More Bee Gees out of boredom > > Okay, two questions: > 1) If the single, "Don't Wanna Live Inside Myself" was solely written by B. Gibb who does not play piano and the piano WAS played by Maurice, how did he get Maurice to play it exactly like he wanted without having to give Maurice writing credit? But I > 2) The album, "In The Now" is only fourteen bucks now. Why did Barry place 12 songs on 2 LP's instead of one? The sound does not improve. But I LIKE it. > Marty From SLC > > > Back to top > > > Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 00:50:08 +0000 (UTC) > From: Marty Hogan > Subject: MORE bored Bee Gees > > I've listened to "Lamplight" many many times and I swear it involves an abortion. Anyway it could have been better mixed. There are simply too many vocals and violins going on. > No I am not drunk. > Yet. > Marty From SLC > > > Back to top > > > End Words@brothersgibb.com message digest 07/03/2017 21:01 (#2017-411) > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com Back to top
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:16:07 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lamplight again It's very difficult to assess Lamplight as a piece of music independently of it role in Bee Gees history. Is it a lost number one or lost classic? Would it have been critically acclaimed in its own right? Every time I play it I think this. I just can't unlink it from its history so to now think maybe it could sound even better is new to me. If it had been a big hit single it would have been in all these compilations. Can I imagine that. No. Thinking now it seems to sit alongside Marley Purt Drive as a great lost album track that just lacks something to make it a great single. What would Arif Martin have done to it? Make Robin sound less strained on the verses? Put more harmonies on the choru Julian I agree Julian. Stigwood made the right call in choosing "First of May" as the A Side. But.. I think you can argue that "Lamplight" is actually the better song. The shorter and more commercial "First of May" was the better choice as a single in early 1969 As for the infamous rift Stigwood's decision caused by going with First of May, I wonder if Robin believed (and quite possibly correctly) that the decision to choose this, or any single, was not entirely up to Stigwood but perhaps really a joint decision Sal compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:20:40 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: MORE bored Bee Gees I've listened to "Lamplight" many many times and I swear it involves an abortion. Anyway it could have been better mixed. There are simply too many vocals and violins going on. No I am not drunk. Yet. Marty From SLC "I gave her money. She said she knew someone and she said she won't be long". Other than that provocative lyric, the song seems to just be about a girl who left him in the early morning one day and never returned. But, maybe? Sal compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:01:19 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: More Bee Gees out of boredom Marty asked: >Okay, two questions: >1) If the single, "Don't Wanna Live Inside Myself" was solely written by B. Gibb who >does not play piano and the piano WAS played by Maurice, how did he get Maurice >to play it exactly like he wanted without having to give Maurice writing credit? But I've come to realize that songwriting credits (like official credit for many creative works) is a very imprecise and often arbitrary process. The Gibbs were apparently no exception. I suspect Maurice was usually given credit for helping develop the melody >2) The album, "In The Now" is only fourteen bucks now. Why did Barry place 12 >songs on 2 LP's instead of one? The sound does not improve. But I LIKE it. .>Marty From SLC I read somewhere that on a standard vinyl disc, the running time on each side should optimally be 18 to 22 minutes. With 18-19 being preferred. I forgot the exact reason why this is so. Something about the spacing of the tracks? Perhaps some of are more t Anyway, this could explain why they stretched it out into two LP's on the vinyl edition. Although, you say the sound isn't improved? Sal compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:18:28 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: How the past could have changed the future? >Just posing the questions. I give my thoughts when responding to your answers. >1/ Would the 80's and 90's have been more successful if, after the lawsuit against Stigwood had been resolved, he'd remained manager? I don't think so. Stigwood's time (and usefulness) with the Bee Gees passed at the end of the 70's. If not before. >2/ If Andy had been integrated into the group in the early 80's would he have bypassed all his personal problems and saved his life. So hard to say. My unqualified thought is that if Andy needed being in the Bee Gees as a way to "cure" his demons, then the answer is probably no. Although, I suspect Barry thought it may have been Andy's salvation. >3/ Would Barry / Robert pressing for Andy's integration have irrevocably split the group. Perhaps. I think it would have caused problems. As others have said, there was already a delicate, if not difficult, balance there with the 3 brothers. I think injecting Andy in the complicated Barry and Robin relationship would have been asking for troub >4/ With or without Robert, how would the 00's have been if Maurice had not passed? In the end, I don't think it would have been all that different. I think by 2001, Barry was pretty much done with the Bee Gees. >5/ If there had no deaths how would the group have organically changed since say Spirits? >Julian Not sure what you mean by "organically changed" Julian, but they did clearly change after Spirits in 1979, regardless. Sal compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:48:33 -0400 From: David Garcia <garcia10303@gmail.com> Subject: Re: MORE bored Bee Gees It is a puzzling lyric. I think I just assumed she was going out to buy laundry detergent or something equally mundane. I've always enjoyed that song, but I think at least as much for the musical arrangement as anything else. There is something about how the piano dominates the musical background during the verses that I find engaging. But I'm not much good at picking out singles. As for it breaking up the group, based on how the interviews were back then, I can't help but think they were looking for the slightest excuse to go their separate ways around that time. If if hadn't been "Lamplight" not being a single, it would likely have been something else. In any case, Robin had his glorious solo album (followed by a glorious -- albeit posthumous -- box set), and aside from three more solo albums in the 80s, along with additional solo albums, DVDs of world tours and glorious requiem debuts in decades that followed... it seems that it mostly got it out of his system. I guess. . David Garcia, to whom no one gave money, which is just as well because he doesn't know anyone in NYC . On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Salvatore Compoccia via Words < Words@brothersgibb.com> wrote: > > I've listened to "Lamplight" many many times and I swear it involves an > abortion. Anyway it could have been better mixed. There are simply too > many vocals and violins going on. > > No I am not drunk. > > Yet. > > Marty From SLC > > > > "I gave her money. She said she knew someone and she said she won't be > long". Other than that provocative lyric, the song seems to just be about a > girl who left him in the early morning one day and never returned. But, > maybe? > > > Sal > > > compoccia@aol.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marty Hogan > To: Words List Member > Sent: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 8:50 pm > Subject: [Words] MORE bored Bee Gees > > I've listened to "Lamplight" many many times and I swear it involves an > abortion. Anyway it could have been better mixed. There are simply too > many vocals and violins going on. > > No I am not drunk. > > Yet. > > Marty From SLC > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees )http://www.brothersgibb.com > > Back to top
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 14:48:30 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: MORE bored Bee Gees David wrote: >In any case, Robin had his glorious solo album (followed by a glorious -- albeit posthumous -- box >set), and aside from three more solo albums in the 80s, along with additional solo albums, DVDs >of world tours and glorious requiem debuts in decades tha I think this "Robin really wanting to be a solo performer" idea is overblown. Barry, regrettably, helped further it in recent years with some questionable comments about that Robin's solo aspirations. I think the evidence points to Robin being very commi Sal compoccia@aol.com Back to top
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