Words@brothersgibb.com message digest 05/16/2016 15:01 (#2016-52)

10 messages included in this issue
1Mother and Jackbrennan@columbia.edu
2Mother and Jackmarjlarue@gmail.com
3Mother and Jackcompoccia@aol.com
4Mother and Jackmarjlarue@gmail.com
5Mother and Jackcompoccia@aol.com
6Mother and Jackmarjlarue@gmail.com
7Mother and Jackcmathis@brothersgibb.com
8Mother and Jackcompoccia@aol.com
9Maurice - Tony Barrowjulian@theglassfamily.co.uk
10Mother and Jackbrennan@columbia.edu
Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 22:30:41 -0400 From: Joseph Brennan <brennan@columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack Salvatore Compoccia via Words wrote: > I'm assuming that level of multi-tracking wasn't available yet? This was still just 8 track master tape. Once the 8 tracks were filled, to record more you had to "bounce" to another tape, that is mix some of the tracks together, copying to perhaps 4 tracks of a second tape reel so that 4 new tracks could be added to that. Every copy added tape hiss. Whether Robin really got to 40 tracks on Lord Bless All (which he claimed) seems doubtful to me because I don't hear the cloud of hiss that would result. Organ on 1 track and 7 tracks of vocals seems like enough to produce what we hear, or maybe one "bounce" to fill in a little more for the men's and boys' choirs. Mother and Jack needed guitar, bass, Rhythm Ace, orchestra, which might be 5 tracks if they were all separate and the orchestra was recorded across 2 tracks. That leaves 3 tracks for vocals and that seems to be enough for what we hear. They did overdubs as early as Ossie Byrne's studio in Australia. Evidence is the two versions of Monday's Rain which are the same instrumental with two different vocal dubs. Ossie had *one* track master tape, so the vocals were sound-on-sound dubs to a second one track tape, that is, mixing playback of the first tape with live microphone input to the second tape. Barry's solo LP in 1970 was the first any of them used 16 track. Oddly the 2 Years On LP reverted to 8 track, making Trafalgar the first Bee Gees LP recorded on 16 track. --Joe Brennan Back to top
Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 21:39:39 -0500 From: KittLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack What would make them revert back to 8 track for 2YO as opposed to using the newer 16 track technology which Barry had used? Perhaps it was a compromise. Kitt- Sent from My World > On May 15, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote: > > Oddly the 2 Years On LP reverted to 8 track, making Trafalgar the first Bee Gees LP recorded on 16 track. > > --Joe Brennan Back to top
Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:09:11 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack >What would make them revert back to 8 track for 2YO as opposed to using the newer 16 track technology >which Barry had used? Perhaps it was a compromise. >Kitt- "2 Years On" was an album recorded quickly to take coincide with the publicity of the brothers recent reunion. So, maybe in all the rush and confusion they forgot about 16 track recording! On a more serious possibility; could it be that since R&M had recorded some tracks before Barry rejoined them in August of 1970 ( I think they did?) and R&M, unlike Barry with the recent solo album, had used 8 track recording on the tracks they initially Sal P.S. Hey Kitt, I was on Sutphin Boulevard in Queens last week and guess what I saw and heard? Salvatore Compoccia compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 22:24:23 -0500 From: KittLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack This sounds reasonable. Sent from My World > On May 15, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Salvatore Compoccia via Words wrote: > > On a more serious possibility; could it be that since R&M had recorded some tracks before Barry rejoined them in August of 1970 ( I think they did?) and R&M, unlike Barry with the recent solo album, had used 8 track recording on the tracks they initiall > > Sal Sal challenging Kitt's brain: > P.S. Hey Kitt, I was on Sutphin Boulevard in Queens last week and guess what I saw and heard? Pussy Bumpensiero telling Tony to go eff himself? The People's Public Poke Song? I'll take a stab, the Q4 bus barreling down 120th Ave? I can only imagine. Enlighten me, please. Kitt-= Back to top
Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 23:32:02 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack Sal challenging Kitt's brain: > P.S. Hey Kitt, I was on Sutphin Boulevard in Queens last week and guess what I saw and heard? Pussy Bumpensiero telling Tony to go eff himself? The People's Public Poke Song? I'll take a stab, the Q4 bus barreling down 120th Ave? I can only imagine. Enlighten me, please. Kitt- I thought this would be an easy one? The Mister Softee jingle and then saw the truck behind me down the block. Sal Salvatore Compoccia compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 22:37:44 -0500 From: KittLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack Damn, can't believe I missed this. And did you flag him down, arms flailing while screeching to your highest vocal pitch? That's funny, Sal. Kitt- Sent from My World > On May 15, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Salvatore Compoccia via Words wrote: > > I thought this would be an easy one? > > The Mister Softee jingle and then saw the truck behind me down the block. > > Sal Back to top
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 00:09:40 -0400 From: Chris Mathis <cmathis@brothersgibb.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack Well, if you have 3 part harmony per track, using 4 of the 8 tracks will give you 12 part harmony? And you still have 4 tracks to play with . Yes or.... Not really? On May 15, 2016 10:39:43 PM KittLarue wrote: > What would make them revert back to 8 track for 2YO as opposed to using the > newer 16 track technology which Barry had used? Perhaps it was a compromise. > > Kitt- > > Sent from My World > >> On May 15, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote: >> >> Oddly the 2 Years On LP reverted to 8 track, making Trafalgar the first Bee >> Gees LP recorded on 16 track. >> >> --Joe Brennan > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com Back to top
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 02:37:54 -0400 From: Salvatore Compoccia <compoccia@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack Nah, I had to catch the subway. I was kind of in the mood for some soft ice cream, though. Sal Damn, can't believe I missed this. And did you flag him down, arms flailing while screeching to your highest vocal pitch? That's funny, Sal. Kitt- Salvatore Compoccia compoccia@aol.com Back to top
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:33:50 +0200 From: "julian@theglassfamily.co.uk" <julian@theglassfamily.co.uk> Subject: Maurice - Tony Barrow In Tony Barrow's obit it says he wrote Maurice's entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which is a feather in Maurice's cap. Anyone have the transcript? It is subscription only Julian Back to top
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:11:19 -0400 From: Joseph Brennan <brennan@columbia.edu> Subject: Re: Mother and Jack KittLarue wrote: > What would make them revert back to 8 track for 2YO as opposed to using > the newer 16 track technology which Barry had used? Perhaps it was a > compromise. It would be based on what equipment the studios had. Remember 2YO started as a R&M album and they would have favored Maurice's familiar studios which had simply not yet been upgraded. --Joe Brennan Back to top
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