(#2005-1588) - Topics this issue: 1) Digest (12/27/2005 21:01) (#2005-1573)_Maree, 2) Digest (12/27/2005 21:01) (#2005-1573)_Maree, 3) Different Labels..., 4) Songwriting Credits and Principle, 5) Horizontal LP on the different label, 6) Horizontal LP on the different label, 7) Horizontal LP on the different label, 8) Horizontal LP on the different label, 9) Horizontal LP on the different label, 10) Robin's Interview, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:06:17 EST From: Compoccias@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest (12/27/2005 21:01) (#2005-1573)_Maree In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:42:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, brennan@columbia.edu writes: > Not really sure what you mean here, Joe. I mean Barry won't share a fake songwriter credit with someone who didn't really co-write the song, or otherwise share publishing income. I admire him for sticking to his principles on this. He's generous about percentage as long as someone really contributes. Joe Brennan I agree, but would Barry giving a co-writing credit to Andy on "(Love is) Thicker than Water" for coming up with the title be considered an exception? Unless, of course, Barry considered coming up with a title and a recurring line in the song a real contribution. I guess it is. Also, wouldn't this call into the question the notion advanced by many here that the B,R, & M credit may have been generic in many instances and did not mean that they wrote some of those songs together? Sal Sal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:32:21 -0000 From: "Richard O Donoghue" Subject: RE: Digest (12/27/2005 21:01) (#2005-1573)_Maree Do we have to go through all this again, really, its like TV repeats. Richard -----Original Message----- From: listmember@brothersgibb.com [mailto:listmember@brothersgibb.com] On Behalf Of Compoccias@aol.com Sent: 31 December 2005 20:06 To: words List Member Subject: [words] Digest (12/27/2005 21:01) (#2005-1573)_Maree In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:42:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, brennan@columbia.edu writes: > Not really sure what you mean here, Joe. I mean Barry won't share a fake songwriter credit with someone who didn't really co-write the song, or otherwise share publishing income. I admire him for sticking to his principles on this. He's generous about percentage as long as someone really contributes. Joe Brennan I agree, but would Barry giving a co-writing credit to Andy on "(Love is) Thicker than Water" for coming up with the title be considered an exception? Unless, of course, Barry considered coming up with a title and a recurring line in the song a real contribution. I guess it is. Also, wouldn't this call into the question the notion advanced by many here that the B,R, & M credit may have been generic in many instances and did not mean that they wrote some of those songs together? Sal Sal "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) http://www.brothersgibb.com To change any of your list options, please go to website listed above. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:41:22 -0600 From: Grant Walters Subject: Different Labels... >Atco changed its label design in 1968. The mustard and maroon "hor2.jpg" >is the label used on the original pressings of First and Horizontal. >Later pressings used the newer yellow label, and all the other Bee Gees >Atco LPs came out only on the yellow label (or has someone seen Idea on >the old label?). > > Sort of related, but the labels on RSO singles and LP's (at least in Canada) changed in bewildering ways throughout the 70's and early 80's. Some had the red RSO cow logo with a tan background, others had orange logos with tan backgrounds, and then some were pink or salmon on yellow backgrounds. Not to mention the changes in typefaces from record to record. I'm not terribly certain why this was done (maybe for some obscure cataloging reason) - anyone have any insight? Grant ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:09:46 -0600 From: "Doug Wilson" Subject: RE: Songwriting Credits and Principle Sal, responding to Joe: > I agree, but would Barry giving a co-writing credit to Andy > on "(Love is) Thicker than Water" for coming up with the > title be considered an exception? > Unless, of course, Barry considered coming up with a title > and a recurring line in the song a real contribution. I guess it is. > I think the thing that Joe was referring to was a performer demanding songwriting royalties in return for recording the song. In the past, I've shared with the list Larry Gatlin's lament that he stuck to principle with Streisand when she wanted songwriting royalties for one of his songs that she wanted to record. Gatlin's said in retrospect, he would've relented. > Also, wouldn't this call into the question the notion > advanced by many here that the B,R, & M credit may have been > generic in many instances and did not mean that they wrote > some of those songs together? > I think that was probably a contractual arrangement between the brothers that Barry obviously has no desire to continue. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:06:28 +0900 From: Robert Stigwood Subject: Re: Horizontal LP on the different label On 1/1/06, Joseph Brennan wrote: > > > > Hello Joe, > > I carefully examined all vinyl albums released in the UK and USA > between 1967 and 1969. > > Please refer to the following four pages: > > Bee Gees First http://www.thebeegees.net/albums1.html > Horizontal http://www.thebeegees.net/albums2.html > Idea http://www.thebeegees.net/albums3.html > Odessa http://www.thebeegees.net/albums4.html > > > The mustard and maroon is the label used on the original pressings > > of First and Horizontal. > > No. This does not apply to a mono copy of Bee Gees First. > > > Later pressings used the newer yellow label, and all the other > > Bee Gees Atco LPs came out only on the yellow label. > > No. Rare, Precious and Beautiful Vol. 1 was released on the mustard and > maroon label. Please refer to http://www.thebeegees.net/aussie2.html. > > > Has someone seen Idea on the old label? > > Yes, one of my Idea LP was released on the mustard and maroon label. > > Robert > > -- > Gibb Collector from Seoul, Korea > > http://www.thebeegees.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 07:40:35 +0900 From: Robert Stigwood Subject: Re: Horizontal LP on the different label Hi Ronnie, Interestingly, only the US issues have some numbers written on the label surface. First (Mono) C-12607/C-12608 First (Stereo) ST-C-671073/ST-C-671074 Horizontal (Labeled as stereo being monaural) ST-C-671199/ST-C-671200 Horizontal (Stereo) ST-C-671199-MO/ST-C-671200-MO Idea (Mustard plus maroon) ST-C-681333/ST-C-681334 Idea (Yellow) ST-C-681333-MG/ST-C-681334-MG Odessa (Yellow) St-C-681521CT/St-C-681522CT/St-C-681523CT/St-C-681524CT Rare, Precious and Beautiful Vol. 1 ST-C-681347/ST-C-681348 What these numbers stand for? Robert On 1/1/06, Ronnie Olsson wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Brennan > > Does anyone here have an Atco Horizontal that is really stereo? Check > > any song besides "World". Which label? > > Mine is the mustard and maroon one and in stereo, it also says > ST-C-671199-B and ST-C-672200-B in the run out groove. Could the "-B" > refer to a later pressing perhaps? > > /Ronnie > > Court Jester @ Cucumber Castle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:27:17 -0500 From: "Ronnie Olsson" Subject: Re: Horizontal LP on the different label -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stigwood > > > Later pressings used the newer yellow label, and all the other > > > Bee Gees Atco LPs came out only on the yellow label. > > > > No. Rare, Precious and Beautiful Vol. 1 was released on the mustard > and > > maroon label. Please refer to http://www.thebeegees.net/aussie2.html. Seems they held on to the old label a while longer and made use of the old mustard & maroon one as long as they still had them and gradually replaced them with the yellow one for later pressings of the previous releases. My RP&B vol. 1 has the yellow Atco label as does my vol. 2. /Ronnie Court Jester @ Cucumber Castle http://www.brothersgibb.com Bee Gees News and Information ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:06:12 -0500 From: Joseph Brennan Subject: Re: Horizontal LP on the different label Ronnie Olsson wrote: > Mine is the mustard and maroon one and in stereo, it also says > ST-C-671199-B and ST-C-672200-B in the run out groove. Could the "-B" > refer to a later pressing perhaps? Mine that plays mono is side 1 ST-C-671199-1C and side 2 ST-C-671200-1A. So maybe the "-1x" group are the first ones. Joe Brennan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:45:33 -0800 From: "Bari Powers" Subject: Re: Horizontal LP on the different label I got Horizontal Christmas of 1968 and it was atco and in stereo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:59:15 -0800 From: "Bari Powers" Subject: Robin's Interview I was out and missed Robin's interview could someone give me the exact link so I can download it? Thanks. Here's wishing everyone a Happy New Year. It's 5:57 p.,m. Pacific time on December 31, 2005 and some of you are already in a different month, day and new year. ------------------------------ End words@brothersgibb.com Digest [12/31/2005 21:01] ----------------------------------------------------