(#2006-2239) - Topics this issue: 1) merchants of dream, 2) BGTV/Chris, 3) BGTV/Chris, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:52:05 -0400 From: "Lumdeloo" Subject: merchants of dream Hi all, I just read a raving review of the bootleg album Merchants of dream (on www.allmusic.com, copied here below). Does anyone on the list own this album and, what I really want to know, is it that good? Thanks in advance. Michel This extraordinary double-disc bootleg, issued in the wake of the death of Maurice Gibb (who is memorialized in the interior), assembles various unissued live and studio artifacts from the Bee Gees' late-'60s psychedelic period. Disc one is an excellent account of several familiar early tracks, such as the demo "Mrs. Gillespie's Refrigerator" and the three alternate mixes of "Turn of the Century," plus a brace of 1967 vintage BBC tracks (which ought to be licensed and released legitimately). That material pales next to the second disc, which opens with a dozen songs recorded at a concert by the five-man Bee Gees lineup (with Vince Melouney and Colin Petersen on lead guitar and drums, respectively) in Berne, Switzerland, in 1968, accompanied by a small orchestra; what amazes this reviewer is that the group, even in those days, didn't limit themselves to playing the hits — such as "Holiday," "Words," or "New York Mining Disaster 1941" — they perform "Gilbert Green" and "In My Own Time," "Turn of the Century," and even "Morning of My Life." The sound on the concert material is as good as any professional recording of the era, and it's surprising that neither the group nor Polygram Records ever tried to retrieve the tapes and issue the show legitimately — this show contains one of the earliest (if not the very first) live performance of "To Love Somebody," and almost goes over the top in a dazzlingly soulful performance; Melouney invades Jimi Hendrix (and Cream) territory very successfully on "In My Own Time," which slides into a jam that includes "Strange Brew"; and with Colin Petersen pounding away on the drums, they do the swingest, most rockin' version of "Massachusetts" that one has ever heard. Those live tracks are rounded out by more vintage BBC material and the instrumental mix-down of "Jumbo." It's the live 1968 tracks that make this set an essential acquisition for any of the group's fans, and doubly so for anyone who enjoys their psychedelic pop legacy. The sound is excellent throughout, with an occasional tendency toward tinniness that is easily compensated, and the music is as important as anything in Polygram's official Bee Gees library. http://www.brothersgibb.com Bee Gees News and Information ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Frazier Subject: BGTV/Chris I will start at the beginning of your reply: You cannot use video on CNN, etc because you do not have Windows Media Installed. Well isn't it nice to know that you could watch these videos by installing one program, WMP, instead of having to install 3 pr OK, just for the heck of it, I went into BGTV using middle and high speed, there was no difference. The picture is sharp but the transmission looks like slow motion clips on both speeds. CHOPPY in other words. I dare say it is NOT my computer but it As for not needing all programs for chat, go back and read the instructions for BarryGibbUnplugged. I think this was in order to view the webcam, but not for sure. You had to install Java 1st, then Quicktime. If you were lucky the webcam worked. Not OK, you moved the video to BGTV. I thought this was a great idea because being in the chat room is a complete waste. Oh boy, I would be able to see the videos without the chat conversation to the right. Well, I can see it but even though the picture I refuse to go thru the processes again and I have the time as I recently retired. Like I said before, I assume it is a BGTV problem and not a Nancy's computer problem. I will not hold my breathe for BGTV to fix it, way too complicated a task I assume As for the User always having something to do!!!!!!!! Mercy, the user had loads to do man. I was willing to do this, but some people just do not have the time and patience to install, uninstall, re-install, pray to get what should be a simple website. Now I can imagine yet more problems. I am getting messages that updates are available for java. Mercy be, I am afraid to get them because I am afraid it will screw up BarryGibb.com. What is going to happen when QT does them same. And firefox has alr What to do What to do. All this because I am a Barry Gibb, Robin Gibb, Maurice Gibb fan. BRING IT ON. Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:52:18 +0200 From: Christophe Bouthier Subject: Re: BGTV/Chris Le 7 juil. 06 =E0 18:29, Nancy Frazier a =E9crit : > I will start at the beginning of your reply: You cannot use video =20 > on CNN, etc because you do not have Windows Media Installed. Well =20 > isn't it nice to know that you could watch these videos by =20 > installing one program, WMP, instead of having to install 3 =20 > programs to make BGTV,radio, chat to work. Amazing. Well, not really, because at least on one of my mac, last try to =20 install WMP resulted on a major crash (to be fair, I suspect that the =20= crash was caused by WMP, but I'm not sure). In every case, I prefer =20 to be prudent, so no WMP on my mac anymore. But that's a detail. I'm sure that WMP will work on some other macs, =20 and that a lots of person will be able to install it and watch CNN =20 etc... That was not my point. My point was that, whatever the technology you =20= use, some people, on some configuration, will have to install some =20 piece of software. And some of them will have problems with them. =20 That's just the way it is right now. Of course, this shouldn't be. =20 But that's a fact. But of course you're right, installing only one is better than =20 installing 2 or 3, because you have less chance of running into a =20 problem, especially when the installation order is important. By the way, you're talking about 3 programs, I only counted 2, Java =20 and Quicktime. Which one did I miss ? > Yes video quality is not great on YouTube but it is watchable. True. So the choice is: less quality but viewable by more people, or =20 better quality viewable by less people. Of course, the good choice is having the two :) Maybe that's a constructive comments that you could send back to =20 BarryGibb.com, maybe in the chat room ? > OK, just for the heck of it, I went into BGTV using middle and =20 > high speed, there was no difference. The picture is sharp but the =20 > transmission looks like slow motion clips on both speeds. CHOPPY =20 > in other words. I dare say it is NOT my computer but it is BGTV. =20 > I was able to watch these videos perfectly when it was included in =20 > the chat area. Yes, as I said, this is really strange, because the video and audio =20 codec and quality of the medium speed is, as far as I can tell, the =20 same than it was before the TV, at least for the Prince's trust =20 videos (I'm not sure about the older one). This is for sure something you should let BarryGibb.com know, either =20 by mail or in the chat room. > As for not needing all programs for chat, go back and read the =20 > instructions for BarryGibbUnplugged. I think this was in order to =20 > view the webcam, but not for sure. Oh, ok. Sorry, I didn't understood. I though you were talking about =20 the chat application itself, not about the chat page (which contains =20 the chat application and the webcam application). My fault here, =20 sorry. I have to improve my english :) > OK, you moved the video to BGTV. No, not _me_. I really have nothing at all to do with this. I'm just =20 a fan like you that try to help because it happens that I know some =20 things about computers. But that's really all. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I'm part of it, maybe =20 because I'm trying to explain why I don't think it's all the =20 developers fault, but really I'm not. I'm just trying to help, I'm not part of it, so please don't shoot me :) > Well, I can see it but even though the picture is sharp and bright, =20= > the sound is OK, the clip is awful. It reminds me of watching slow =20= > motion clips. Ok, that's a good info. So the problem is really the speed of play. =20 Of the video only, am I right ? The sound is played at normal speed, =20 without "choppingness" (is that a word ?), without being frequently =20 interrupted, am I right ? And you didn't have this problem before the =20= BG TV, right ? Even when watching the last videos about Prince's =20 trust, right ? That's really strange. > I refuse to go thru the processes again and I have the time as I =20 > recently retired. Yes, you're right not to do it again. I don't think it will change =20 anything. =46rom what I understand, it could be : - a network problem ? Not really, because if data were lost, audio =20 would be choppy too, and video quality will be less good. - a horsepower problem ? For me, it seems that your computer doesn't =20 manage to decode the video stream fast enough. Now, I don't say it's =20 your computer that is at fault. It could be that they changed the =20 video codec on BG TV, it could be that you installed an application =20 that's using lots of horsepower at the same time. You can see if it's =20= a horsepower problem by opening the "task manager" when playing BG =20 TV, and by watching the % of CPU time used by each application. - something else. I'm just trying to help, but I don't have super =20 power :) I just have some knowledge, not all knowledge (or I would be =20= rich by now, I think) :) > As for the User always having something to do!!!!!!!! Mercy, the =20= > user had loads to do man. I was willing to do this, but some =20 > people just do not have the time and patience to install, =20 > uninstall, re-install, pray to get what should be a simple website. Yes, I agree with you. > It is by far the most user-unfriendly site I have ever been to. I would like to say the same, because that would mean that the whole =20 WWW quality would be very high :) Unfortunately, I have way too much =20 examples of very less user-unfriendly site (one of them is the portal =20= of the university I'm working in ! :( ). > Now I can imagine yet more problems. I am getting messages that =20 > updates are available for java. Mercy be, I am afraid to get them =20 > because I am afraid it will screw up BarryGibb.com. What is going =20 > to happen when QT does them same. And firefox has already updated. Firefox is not necessary, as far as I have understood. It's just =20 recommended. (And from what could be read in the news, I would also =20 recommend to use anything but IE, it you either value your data, your =20= computer, or your penal responsibility : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202547,00.html http://www.securitypronews.com/news/securitynews/=20 spn-45-20060706MicrosoftYouSaySecurityThreatISayFeature.html ) Firefox updates should not be a problem. But you're right, I personally don't know what a Quicktime or Java =20 update will do for BGTV or BGRadio. I think that Quicktime updates =20 are safe. But for Java update, I really don't know. And it's not =20 written on the BarryGibb.com pages. So if I were you, I would do =20 quicktime updates, but not Java updates. At least until someone told =20 me that it's safe to do :) > BRING IT ON. Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker, so I didn't understood this =20 last sentence. What's its meaning ? 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