(#2006-2233) - Topics this issue: 1) Digest (07/05/2006 15:01) (#2006-2231), 2) Odessa Progressive Dream, 3) Shawn Colvin, 4) A Kick in the Head introspective dream, 5) A Kick in the Head introspective dream, 6) Odessa Progressive Dream, 7) Digest (07/05/2006 15:01) (#2006-2231), 8) A Kick in the Head introspective dream, 9) A Kick in the Head introspective dream, 10) A Kick in the Head introspective dream, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:18:37 -0400 From: Joseph Brennan Subject: Re: Digest (07/05/2006 15:01) (#2006-2231) --On Thursday, July 6, 2006 12:42 AM +0200 Christophe Bouthier wrote: > > Maybe you can light us here: what is this "broken method" you're > refering to, > and that they use in the radio and in the BGTV ? And why do you consider > it "broken" ? It's broken because it does not work. I have a high speed cable connection and recent upgrades to Quicktime and Java and it does not work. Many other people here with a variety of computers have said it does not work for them either. It is not good enough that it works on the developer's PC. The situation is a disservice to Barry. Joe Brennan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:24:17 -0300 From: "David Yang" Subject: Re: Odessa Progressive Dream If Odessa had been released as single (a successful one I mean). Maybe the Bee Gees would not have split in 69. Maybe the Bee Gees would have developed a music style going from Moody Blues to Genesis/Yes during the early 70s. Maybe that might have been a wonderful thing. They -specially Robin- had a perfect voice for that type of music. They would have needed a stronger band though (guitar, drums, keyboards, maybe violin or cello?). I can dream, can't I? On 7/5/06, Compoccias@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 7/4/2006 9:53:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, > martyhogan@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Wow. Imagine if "Odessa" was a double single like "American Pie" was. I > think it would have blasted the Bee Gees to Mars. > > Marty From SF > > > > > I have always loved "Odessa", but quite frankly, I don't think it would have > worked as a single. > > Sal > > > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:29:06 -0500 From: Grant Walters Subject: Shawn Colvin News byte from Billboard.com today...for those not familiar with Shawn Colvin, she had her most significant commercial success in the US with the 1997 top ten single "Sunny Came Home". A very talented and ecclectic artist. Grant ____________________________________________________________________________ Shawn Colvin will ring in the "second half" of her life with "These Four Walls," due Sept. 12 via Nonesuch. Not only has the 50-year-old artist begun the lifestage of middle age, but she has also teamed with a new manager and label for the release. "It's a major confrontation, knowing that you have to grow up," Colvin tells Billboard.com. "I come from a generation of prolonged adolescence. I have an eight-year-old, I'm a single mother and I don't have image marketing at my disposal anymore." It was a conversation with country vet Emmylou Harris that encouraged her to make a switch from Columbia to the Warner Bros. subsidiary. "She was going on and on about how she was on the best record label and waxed on how much she loved it and how well they treated her," Colvin recalls. "So while I was still at Columbia, I just stored that little nugget in the back of my brain." Despite these changes, Colvin's collaboration is a familiar one with producer/songwriter John Leventhal, who co-wrote nine of the album's 13 tracks. The album also includes covers of "Even Here We Are" by former Replacements frontman Paul Westerberg and the Bee Gees' "Words." Guest musicians like singers Patty Griffin, Marc Cohn and Teddy Thompson and pedal steel player Greg Leisz contributed to the recordings. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:44:02 -0300 From: "David Yang" Subject: Re: A Kick in the Head introspective dream That is an interesting question indeed. Had A Kick been a successful album what would have happen. Well, my guess is they would have continued with their introspective songwriting. They would have had a cult following but never reaching the massive popularity they gained with SNF. That could have been a good thing. Just think about songs like "Rocky L.A.", "Harry's Gate", "Elisa". They had nothing to be envy of acts like James Taylor and Bob Dylan circa 73/74 (maybe I am going too far... we are talking about nothing less than Bob's "Blood on the Tracks"). I like the stream of Mr. Natural - Main Course. However, sometimes I think that Children of the World was just too much of departure from the original beegee style despite being an excellent album. SNF was pure genius of course. Finally Spirits (with the all time classic Too Much Heaven) was really really too much for everyone. Living Eyes, a gentle relaxation. Staying Alive, nothing but a Hollywood follow up. ESP, One, High were all good but the following set (Size, Still Waters, and This is Where I Came) proved to be superior, only comparable to their 60's output. In other words, almost perfect. On 7/5/06, Compoccias@aol.com wrote: > > I think the more intriguing thing to ponder is what would have happend if > "Kick" had been released and they had a couple of hits off it? Are they ever > teamed with Arif Mardin? Do they ever make the full conversion to R&B/Dance > music? Would a few hits during that 72-74 period have given them a feeling of > security and confirmation so to keep on doing the ballads and more intrspective > songs, which may have resulted in them fading again by 1976? And perhaps > this time for good? > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:44:02 -0300 From: "David Yang" Subject: Re: A Kick in the Head introspective dream That is an interesting question indeed. Had A Kick been a successful album what would have happen. Well, my guess is they would have continued with their introspective songwriting. They would have had a cult following but never reaching the massive popularity they gained with SNF. That could have been a good thing. Just think about songs like "Rocky L.A.", "Harry's Gate", "Elisa". They had nothing to be envy of acts like James Taylor and Bob Dylan circa 73/74 (maybe I am going too far... we are talking about nothing less than Bob's "Blood on the Tracks"). I like the stream of Mr. Natural - Main Course. However, sometimes I think that Children of the World was just too much of departure from the original beegee style despite being an excellent album. SNF was pure genius of course. Finally Spirits (with the all time classic Too Much Heaven) was really really too much for everyone. Living Eyes, a gentle relaxation. Staying Alive, nothing but a Hollywood follow up. ESP, One, High were all good but the following set (Size, Still Waters, and This is Where I Came) proved to be superior, only comparable to their 60's output. In other words, almost perfect. On 7/5/06, Compoccias@aol.com wrote: > > I think the more intriguing thing to ponder is what would have happend if > "Kick" had been released and they had a couple of hits off it? Are they ever > teamed with Arif Mardin? Do they ever make the full conversion to R&B/Dance > music? Would a few hits during that 72-74 period have given them a feeling of > security and confirmation so to keep on doing the ballads and more intrspective > songs, which may have resulted in them fading again by 1976? And perhaps > this time for good? > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:57:25 +1000 From: Mark.Crohan@dhs.vic.gov.au Subject: Odessa Progressive Dream >If Odessa had been released as single (a successful one I mean). >Maybe the Bee Gees would not have split in 69. Maybe the Bee Gees >would have developed a music style going from Moody Blues to >Genesis/Yes during the early 70s. Maybe that might have been a >wonderful thing. They -specially Robin- had a perfect voice for that >type of music. They would have needed a stronger band though (guitar, >drums, keyboards, maybe violin or cello?). I can dream, can't I? I personally believe the ' Idea' album was pivotal in determining how the Bee gees were viewed particularly by the music press. After a brilliant first two albums they were well placed to move into good rock cred territory (particularly with the heavier 'Horizontal') . Not that the ' Idea' album isn't strong and contains some good songs but too many ballads, too poppy and lose the ties on the cover. Their determination to voice all their fights in a public forum wouldn't help either. Odessa consolidated the pop group focus but again some tracks would/ may have placed them in the progressive rock band team. When you look at it in hindsight here was one of the best harmony bands going around including 3 instrumentals that could been played by the Nelson Riddle Orchestra. This where i think Stigwood being more showbiz than R&R probably did them a disservice at times. he should have stopped it. Mark _________________________________________________________________________________ This email contains confidential information intended only for the person named above and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or use of this information is prohibited. The Department provides n If this document is not required for record keeping purposes please consider the environment before printing. _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:10:27 -0400 From: Chris Mathis Subject: Re: Digest (07/05/2006 15:01) (#2006-2231) >It's broken because it does not work. I have a high speed cable >connection and recent upgrades to Quicktime and Java and it does not >work. Many other people here with a variety of computers have said >it does not work for them either. It is not good enough that it works >on the developer's PC. The situation is a disservice to Barry. I just tested it for the first time tonight. It is 11:09 PM EST and I am viewing it. It is working at the moment. .....----===*Chris... http://www.brothersgibb.com Bee Gees News and Information ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:14:31 +1000 From: Mark.Crohan@dhs.vic.gov.au Subject: A Kick in the Head introspective dream >That could have been a good thing. Just think about songs like "Rocky >L.A.", "Harry's Gate", "Elisa". They had nothing to be envy of acts >like James Taylor and Bob Dylan circa 73/74 (maybe I am going too >far... we are talking about nothing less than Bob's "Blood on the >Tracks"). Forget about that. ' dear Mr Kissinger' could have brought some real attention to the band just because of its subject. That album if released could bring some very positive attention now I believe. Mark _________________________________________________________________________________ This email contains confidential information intended only for the person named above and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or use of this information is prohibited. The Department provides n If this document is not required for record keeping purposes please consider the environment before printing. _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:26:46 EDT From: Compoccias@aol.com Subject: Re: A Kick in the Head introspective dream In a message dated 7/5/2006 11:27:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mark.Crohan@dhs.vic.gov.au writes: >That could have been a good thing. Just think about songs like "Rocky >L.A.", "Harry's Gate", "Elisa". They had nothing to be envy of acts >like James Taylor and Bob Dylan circa 73/74 (maybe I am going too >far... we are talking about nothing less than Bob's "Blood on the >Tracks"). >>Forget about that. ' dear Mr Kissinger' could have brought some real >>attention to the band just because of its subject. Not too sure about that. Alot of artists were making anti-war records during the Vietnam War. It was a crowded field, so I don't know if a group that was already on the downside would have garnered all that much attention. Also, Kick, if had been released, probably would have been released in the fall of 1973, at the earliest. I think the U.S. had decided to withdraw from Vietnam sometime in '73, so the Bee Gees would have been pretty late, too late, for this kind of song. The song itself is ok, but certainly not one of the stronger cuts from the album. That album if released could bring some very positive attention now I believe. Mark Yes, I agree. Especially if its promoted right. Sal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:58:08 +1000 From: Mark.Crohan@dhs.vic.gov.au Subject: Re: A Kick in the Head introspective dream >That could have been a good thing. Just think about songs like "Rocky >L.A.", "Harry's Gate", "Elisa". They had nothing to be envy of acts >like James Taylor and Bob Dylan circa 73/74 (maybe I am going too >far... we are talking about nothing less than Bob's "Blood on the >Tracks"). >>Forget about that. ' dear Mr Kissinger' could have brought some real >>attention to the band just because of its subject. >Not too sure about that. Alot of artists were making anti-war records during >the Vietnam War. It was a crowded field, so I don't know if a group that was >already on the downside would have garnered all that much attention. Also, >Kick, if had been released, probably would have been released in the fall of >1973, at the earliest. I think the U.S. had decided to withdraw from Vietnam >sometime in '73, so the Bee Gees would have been pretty late, too late, for >this kind of song. The song itself is ok, but certainly not one of the stronger >cuts from the album. but the fact the Bee Gees were doing an Antiwar track may have brought some attention in my view. So different to waht was generally known of their material. Mark _________________________________________________________________________________ This email contains confidential information intended only for the person named above and may be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying or use of this information is prohibited. 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