(#2004-310) - Topics this issue: 1) Mail Delivery (failure words@brothersgibb.com), 2) Robin Tour, 3) Robin Tour, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 04:29:00 +0900 From: zcnicotra@datamarkets.com.ar Subject: MDaemon Warning - virus found: Mail Delivery (failure words@brothersgibb.com) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CA80.6B015D10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001C_01C0CA80.6B015D10" ------=_NextPart_001_001C_01C0CA80.6B015D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ******************************* WARNING ****************************** This message has been scanned by MDaemon AntiVirus and was found to=20 contain infected attachment(s). Please review the list below. 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If he wants to = perform,then great... let him perform where he wants and what he wants to d= o. If Robin wants to tour,great but if he wants to sing old Bee Gees tunes = then so be it. WE don't tell him what to sing. Does anyone tell u how to dr= ess? or how to drive (other than the lawl!?)? or what to eat? Probably not!= So why should we tell Robin,who has been in the business a long time, what= to sing. Be thankful he is out there. Maybe he isn't ready to let the Bee = Gees songs go. Maybe Barry is. Andy's death was tragic and a bit early(in m= y account) but not totally unexpected if I remember from VH1's Behind the M= usic and other stories telling of Andy. He used drugs,more accurately, abus= ed them and had gone off the wagon and his condition was brought on by year= s of drug abuse. Yes I was saddened by his death but I learned to deal and = the brothers did to and they went on. Maurice's death was different as it w= as not expected and could of and should of been prevented if he had been lo= oked at right away but then again I am no DR. To loose a brother who was yo= ur partner for 30 some odd years ( as well as your twin) is hard enough and= they may feel they can't go on as a group without Maurice. If Robin was to= come to Dallas in the near future as a part of his tour I would do my best= to go and be happy to see him perform no matter what songs he sings!!! To = see one perform is better than nothing at all!!! Barry has two grandkids as= well as his daughter and we all know how much he and Linda wanted that lit= tle girl!!! After four boys,a little girl was a blessing especially one bor= n early like she was!!! My step daughter was born early by 7 weeks and due = to some negligence on the hospital staff, she suffered some brain damage an= d suffers from a rare form of CP and will always be confined to a wheelchai= r,never independent of others,always dependent on others. So Ali is special= to Barry and now with Grandkids, his life takes on a new meaning. When Rob= in has grandkids he may feel different but then again we don't know. We don= 't live their lives or in their minds. This is just my opinion of course an= d if you don't like it then don't read it. YOU ALL have made valid points a= nd I believe off you to be true fans and never ever be afraid to state how = you feel or what you think!! That is what makes this list interesting andif= you get a little out of line then Chris is there to keep us inline!! (tha= nks for the work you do Chris) BUT they don't owe us anything ...Robin just= wants to perform is how I see it (and it could be his means of coping with= his twins death,who knows!?) and he will perform the songs he likes to sin= g or wants to sing or what he thinks the audience wants. Let him do what he= wants and be thankful he is out there and that those lucky enough to see h= im be thankful you are there!!! As I have said before,if this made anyone m= ad,so be it but this is my opinion and frankly I was tired of ppl putting T= he Brothers down because they aren't doing what WE want but doing what they= WANT!! And that is LIVING!! and LIVING their WAY!! That is all I have to s= ay. May God keep and Bless the remaining members of the Gibb clan! (and rem= ember, there is also another generation of Gibbs out there singing)=20 -----Original Message----- From: Anne Simpson Sent: Sep 18, 2004 10:46 AM To: words List Member Subject: [words] Robin Tour >But I do thing that they do owe us something..., at least in a sense..., a= s we have to pay for all what they give us (I'm not saying that we shouldn't)= ; with this money they could build their studio where they have freedom and time to work, and where probably are lots of songs recorded (and possibly new stuff too) so we may have at least a word to say...., as in a way we can tell they work for us because we've given them that financialand creative freedom they have. No. They don't OWE us ANYTHING. We already got what we paid for; they've done their best, given us the music, and now their lives and careers have been shattered by the loss of Mo. Especially now, we have no right to say what they should or shouldn't do (which hasn't stopped us in the past). You've got your head all twisted on this one, IMHO. > I repeat what I wrote two days ago....., re-working a song is a productio= n and performing fact, but it's not that much creative, the moment when a son= g written... that's creativity. You can take a song and wrape it with one thousand different arrangements, but the song itself will be the same, the genius is the songwriter..., the other thing is work and skills, so a songwriter must go for something new, Robin is a songwriter... or he isn't?= . I disagree. Re-working a song to give it a different flavour is creative because it involves thinking in a different way. >I admire what they have done (and in certain moments of my life they have been vital I can tell you), but songs are born in a composer's mind so I can't believe that Robin (or Barry) don't have anything new to say..., so i= f they have new stuff, don't go living from the past because we are in the present...., I can imagine they have great songs in the can..., they have put the cookie in my mouth, what they can't do now it take it away...., because I'm hungry. You see that's the problem - YOU'RE hungry, but maybe Barry isn't hungry anymore. That would be sad, but it's possible. OTOH, I'd like to believe you're right and that he and Robin still have things to say. But remember, anything from now on is just a bonus, not something they owe us. It would be unfair to put pressure on them at this point in their lives. Anne (who is slowly learning not to have expectations anymore) --=3D=3D*Anne and ^..^ bgfan@sympatico.ca We don't say goodbye We don't say goodbye With all my love for you And what else we may do We don't say goodbye ~ B.R.M. Gibb ~ "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) http://www.brothersgibb.com=20 To change any of your list options, please go to website listed above. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:12:19 +0100 From: "Maggie Bleksley" Subject: Re: Robin Tour > I repeat what I wrote two days ago....., re-working a song is a producti= > on and performing fact, but it's not that much creative, the moment when= > a song written... that's creativity. You can take a song and wrape it w= > ith one thousand different arrangements, but the song itself will be the same, the genius is the songwriter...= > , the other thing is work and skills, so a songwriter must go for someth= > ing new, Robin is a songwriter... or he isn't?. > > Get five arrangers to do the tracks and the arrangements of an old song= > of yours, they'll do all the work, you will only go one day and record = > the vocals (the only moment you can add some new ideas or feelings) and = > you'll have five versions of your "re-worked" song..., this can't be called creativity in my view, it can be = > called a performance...., but for a composer it is an easy way out. > I'm afraid I have to disagree with some of your comments, Toni. Everybody who is creative has to depend on the creativity of others. For example, it would be no use writing a brilliant musical work if nobody had had the creativity to design the instruments on which it is to be played. It goes right back to the creation of nature. An actor can make one of the playwright's characters totally boring or bring him/her to life, which is creative in itself. By the same token, I think it takes creativity to give a song a new interpretation. If we were talking about Barry, I might agree that he is better sticking to his own songs, as I think he puts a great deal more into them than on the rare occasions I've heard him sing other people's. However, I think it's the other way round with Robin. To be brutally frank - and I stress that this is just my opinion - I've not always been impressed with Robin's own compositions, although I rate him very highly as a singer. Some of the songs that I think he sings best of all are not even Gibb compositions, e.g. 'Ellan Vannin', In the 'Bleak Mid Winter' and 'Somewhere'. There are, of course, some big exceptions. I love to hear him sing 'Juliet', 'Deja Vu', SBTB and ISAJ. I also enjoy hearing him sing songs like 'August October', but, although he writes a good tune, I'm not sure about the lyrics! I'm just saying that I think he can put new life into other people's songs and surely this makes his repertoire more interesting than just sticking to songs we've heard him singing before. Maggie ------------------------------ End words@brothersgibb.com Digest [09/18/2004 21:01] ----------------------------------------------------