(#2004-309) - Topics this issue: 1) Digest (09/18/2004 09:01) (#2004-308), 2) Stuttgart Setlist, 3) Robin Tour, 4) Stuttgart Setlist, 5) Digest (09/18/2004 09:01) (#2004-308), 6) Stuttgart Setlist, 7) Robin Tour, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:29:45 EDT From: Mnbeegeesfan@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest (09/18/2004 09:01) (#2004-308) --part1_86.165f7fc5.2e7dae69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/18/04 8:16:45 AM Central Daylight Time, listmember@brothersgibb.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:10:29 +0200 > From: "J. F. Mayer" > Subject: Stuttgart Setlist > > The Setlist for the opening concert of Robin's German tour in stuttgart > yesterday evening was as follows (written down from memory after the > concert with the help of Shaw, thanks): > > Emotion > Message > How Deep > Nights on Broadway > Love Hurts > My Lover's Prayer (w/ A. Griffin) > Night Fever > NYMD 1941 > Please > Saved By The Bell > To Love Somebody > Words > You Win Again > Juliet > Tragedy > ------- > Jive Talkin' > Stayin'Alive > > Robin, small band and orchestra with grand piano, 2 male and 2 female > backup singers. > > 2 support acts (about 20 min Alistair Griffin, about 30 min Lucia), the > latter had to hear "stop" shouts from the audience. > > There were some technical problems in Robin's act, mainly in the > beginning, Robin's voice hardly to hear sometimes. We were sitting > centerstage first row (3 or 4 m from Robin), so I'm not really able to > comment on sound quality at all, because we heard the monitor speakers > of Robin and the lead guitarist and the orchestra and the drummer > directly. Sometimes I saw the singers (stage right from our view) > singing but hardly heard them (better than vice versa!). There wasn't > much light show, although there were three screens above the orchestra, > but there wasn't much to see there. Not the reminicences like on > McCartney shows, which was good so, I think. > > Robin didn't say one longer sentence, only "Hello", "Thank you". The > longest talk was before he sang "Massachusetts". He said something like > "the first ever record of the Bee Gees" (???). This was the only time > the group was mentioned - but no wonder, it was the only comment at all > (and wrong). The "hand on the ear" is back as reported, he used that > technique several times, and that still looks great. He didn't move more > than one meter during the concert (good for us). > > Personal opinion > > The song choice made a good concert, the bad mood in the audience after > the unknown supports that the people did not want to hear, changed > during the second song. Massive reaction and singing with "How Deep". A > good and strong version of NOB - the first time I ever heard it with > real horns. for me, this was a first highlight of the show. What a great > song. Chears for "Love Hurts", also and additional sing along for > "Massachusetts". The duet then was quite good also. Surprisingly then: > "Night Fever" up tempo. Then a really great new interpretation of > "NYMD". This is THE "invention" of the show. The people only reckognized > it when the refrain came. Really, really great arrangement, up tempo. > Then "Please", not a rocket. But tears and lights and chorus in the > audience for "Saved By The Bell". Can't remember exactly the arrangement > of "TLS". Then sensation for the insiders: "Words". A lot of "Ah's" in > the audience for it. Robin has a feeling what they want. A lot of > support by the backup singers hereby. A this point Robin had the > audience in his hand. Perfect then: A really mighty "You Win Again". The > audience (sold-out venue, about 2500, might have the exact number later) > from then on the feet. "Juliet" and "Tragedy" close the regular line-up. > Encores were "Jive Talkin'" (not so strong) and "Stayin' Alive". > > 18 songs at all. The weakest point: It was too short. Some expressed > their feelings about that afterwards. However, what was presented was > good, at some points even great. Some (mostly technical) problems can be > fixed during the tour, I think. The discussion about the songs that > would be presented here in the list was obsolete. He chose the secure > way. no "Odessa", no "Farmer Ferdinand Hudson". > > All in all: Positive. More than I had expected. Other fans said the same. > > The ZDF TV channel and radio station SWR1 were doing interviews among > the audience before the gig. Marion asked when it will be aired (it was > the same night in "heute nacht", anybody seen it?) and had to give an > interview for the answer. When I turned the radio on this morning 7.35 h > there was the last sentece of their report (Arrrgh!). It seemed to be > positive (anyone heard it?). The "Stuttgarter Nachrichten" printed a > Robin photo today titled "The voice of the Bee Gees" and reported about > "chears in the Liederhalle" (not a whole concert critic already today). > > Juergen > Stuttgart > > GREAT report, Juergen, thanks for taking the time to give that play by play review. Any chance you could also post that on the RobinGibb.com message board? Think they need a few more "positive" reviews posted in a new thread there. thanks again, Talulah --part1_86.165f7fc5.2e7dae69_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:34:26 -0400 From: "Anne Simpson" Subject: Re: Stuttgart Setlist Yeah, that would have been wicked. I wonder why he isn't doing more of his solo stuff. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "JPC" To: "words List Member" Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:34 AM Subject: [words] Stuttgart Setlist Sad no excellent Robin lead songs in the list (Fallen Angel, Cryin' Every Day, Gone With The Wind, ISAJ, Like A Fool...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:46:30 -0400 From: "Anne Simpson" Subject: Re: Robin Tour >But I do thing that they do owe us something..., at least in a sense..., as we have to pay for all what they give us (I'm not saying that we shouldn't); with this money they could build their studio where they have freedom and time to work, and where probably are lots of songs recorded (and possibly new stuff too) so we may have at least a word to say...., as in a way we can tell they work for us because we've given them that financialand creative freedom they have. No. They don't OWE us ANYTHING. We already got what we paid for; they've done their best, given us the music, and now their lives and careers have been shattered by the loss of Mo. Especially now, we have no right to say what they should or shouldn't do (which hasn't stopped us in the past). You've got your head all twisted on this one, IMHO. > I repeat what I wrote two days ago....., re-working a song is a production and performing fact, but it's not that much creative, the moment when a song written... that's creativity. You can take a song and wrape it with one thousand different arrangements, but the song itself will be the same, the genius is the songwriter..., the other thing is work and skills, so a songwriter must go for something new, Robin is a songwriter... or he isn't?. I disagree. Re-working a song to give it a different flavour is creative because it involves thinking in a different way. >I admire what they have done (and in certain moments of my life they have been vital I can tell you), but songs are born in a composer's mind so I can't believe that Robin (or Barry) don't have anything new to say..., so if they have new stuff, don't go living from the past because we are in the present...., I can imagine they have great songs in the can..., they have put the cookie in my mouth, what they can't do now it take it away...., because I'm hungry. You see that's the problem - YOU'RE hungry, but maybe Barry isn't hungry anymore. That would be sad, but it's possible. OTOH, I'd like to believe you're right and that he and Robin still have things to say. But remember, anything from now on is just a bonus, not something they owe us. It would be unfair to put pressure on them at this point in their lives. Anne (who is slowly learning not to have expectations anymore) --==*Anne and ^..^ bgfan@sympatico.ca We don't say goodbye We don't say goodbye With all my love for you And what else we may do We don't say goodbye ~ B.R.M. Gibb ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:50:56 -0400 From: "Anne Simpson" Subject: Re: Stuttgart Setlist Thanks for the detailed report, Juergen! Much appreciated by those of us who couldn't go. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. F. Mayer" To: "words List Member" Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:10 AM Subject: [words] Stuttgart Setlist > The Setlist for the opening concert of Robin's German tour in stuttgart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:17:33 +0200 From: "Johan Moerman" Subject: Re: Digest (09/18/2004 09:01) (#2004-308) From: "J. F. Mayer" > Robin didn't say one longer sentence, only "Hello", "Thank you". The > longest talk was before he sang "Massachusetts". He said something like > "the first ever record of the Bee Gees" (???). This was the only time > the group was mentioned - but no wonder, it was the only comment at all > (and wrong). Thanks Juergen, Great to hear from you again! Didn't he say first ever nr.1 record of the BeeGees ? Johan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:48:07 -0400 From: "Bill Busch" Subject: RE: Stuttgart Setlist I highly doubt that. Just others won't say so for fear of being flamed and branded untrue fans. Maybe Robin think he's just too old to try and escalate his solo career. So instead he plays it safe by using old Bee Gees tunes for the majority of his concert. (I'm sure if he were to read this, his wig hair would stand on end.) Bill > -----Original Message----- > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:55:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Rose > Subject: Re: Stuttgart Setlist > SNIPPED > Magnetic Tour. I think I'm probably the only one here who > would rather have him do his songs and leave the Barry and > Barry lead songs behind. But glad to hear you had fun and > enjoyed his concert. > > Mary Rose > ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:58:20 +0200 From: "Toni Quintana" Subject: Re: Robin Tour This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C49DB1.76D37BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > No. They don't OWE us ANYTHING. We already got what we paid for; the= y've > done their best, given us the music, Well as we say in Catalunya (or Catalonia, as you prefer): "tants caps,= tants barrets" (something like "As many hats as heads")...., this is my= opinion after all and, of course, I respect yours despite you don't re= spect mine...., I know we are in the opposite corner in this subject. "You've got your head all twisted on this one" As I said, English is not my language and sometimes my logical limitatio= ns may make it hard to express what my feelings are...., I know what I f= eel but maybe I can't express it properly. > I disagree. Re-working a song to give it a different flavour is creat= ive > because it involves thinking in a different way. > Again the corners...., I would never re-work an old song...., some times= I tried (I make songs as a hobby, you see?), even sometimes feel they n= eeded....., but at the end always get bored about it and go doing a new = song, which I always find more exciting because I can put more things in it..., it's a completely empty space. Of course that there is some creativity, but it is not the same and work= ing again in something old...., I mean, an artist could be releasing a C= D every three years with the same songs with diferent arrangements, rhyt= ms, tempos, even languages...,it could be interesting somehow but, what can I tell you?, I prefer brand new so= ngs in every project, specially if the artist is a genius and is gifted = with an incredible composing hability. The best thing would be to have the two options in one..., a double CD, = one with new songs and the other with versions of old stuff, hmmm... eve= rybody happy?. > You see that's the problem - YOU'RE hungry, but maybe Barry isn't hung= ry > anymore. That would be sad, but it's possible. OTOH, I'd like to bel= ieve > you're right and that he and Robin still have things to say. But reme= mber, > anything from now on is just a bonus, not something they owe us. It w= ould > be unfair to put pressure on them at this point in their lives. Yes, I'm hungry, I admit that, I'll be hungry as long as I live, it's my= nature and I can't change it. > Anne (who is slowly learning not to have expectations anymore) You know....?, we agree in this last sentece. Toni. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C49DB1.76D37BC0-- ------------------------------ End words@brothersgibb.com Digest [09/18/2004 15:01] ----------------------------------------------------